[Here is a summary of B.C. Johnson’s, “Why Doesn’t God Intervene to Prevent Evil?]
Are there any good excuses for someone (or a god) not saving a baby from a burning house if they had the power to do so? It will not do to say the baby will go to heaven since one suffers by burning to death. The key is suffering. If the suffering was not necessary, then it’s wrong to allow it; if the suffering is necessary, the baby’s going to heaven doesn’t explain why it’s necessary.
It doesn’t make sense to say that a baby’s painful death will be good in the long run, and that’s why the gods allow it. For that is to say that whatever happens, in the long run, is good; since if something happened, it was allowed by the gods, and it must, therefore, be good in the long run. We could test this idea by burning down buildings to kill innocent people. If we are successful, then we know that this was part of some god’s plan. But this is absurd. Moreover, this doesn’t show why the gods allow babies to burn to death; it merely says there is some reason for this suffering, a belief we have since we assume the gods are good. But this argument is circular; it merely assumes what it is trying to prove. (That the gods are good.) “It is not unlike a lawyer defending his client by claiming that the client is innocent and therefore the evidence against him must be misleading—that proof vindicating the defendant will be found in the long run.”
In conclusion, we simply cannot excuse a bystander who could save the child but who doesn’t.
We might say that we ought “to face disasters without assistance,” so as not to become dependent upon help. But this suggests that the work of doctors and firefighters, for example, should be abolished. But if this kind of help is good, then good gods should help like this. But they do not. If this kind of help is bad, then we ought to abolish it.
Similarly, we could say that the gods would reduce the moral urgency to make the world better if they intervened in evil. But should we abolish modern medicine and firefighting since they help people, but thereby reduce our urgency to help people? Of course not. Moreover, this argument suggests that the gods approve of these disasters as a means to encourage the creation of moral urgency.” 85 And if there were not sufficient baby burnings, the gods would have to bring them about. But this too is absurd. We shouldn’t create moral urgency by burning babies.
Maybe suffering is necessary for virtues like compassion, mercy, sympathy, and courage to be exercised. But even if this is true, the non-believer is simply claiming that we could do without burning babies and still have plenty of suffering to elicit these virtues. Furthermore, we value efforts to improve the world, and we don’t consider the possible reduction in opportunities to practice virtue a good reason not to improve it. If we can’t use this as an excuse not to improve the world, then neither can the gods. Developing virtue “is no excuse for permitting disasters.” The argument that the gods allow suffering to humble us is open to the preceding objections.
One could claim that evil is a by-product of the laws of nature, and a god’s interference would alter the causal order to our detriment. But lives could be saved if serial killers had heart attacks before committing their crimes. Such occasional miracles wouldn’t necessitate changing the laws of nature. How often should the gods do this? Johnson says often enough to prevent particularly horrible disasters like child torture.
As for the claim that the gods have a higher morality such that what seems bad to us (child torture) is really good, and what seems good to us (modern medicine) is really bad, it is hard to make any sense of this. You could say we just don’t understand a god’s ways like children don’t understand their parents’ ways, but as adults, we might conclude that some of our parents’ actions were bad.
The main reason all these arguments fail is that they are abstract. None of them really explains why all good, all-powerful beings watch helpless infants burn to death, since none of the excuses such beings would offer seem convincing. One could claim that the gods just can’t prevent evil, but it is strange to believe in gods less powerful than fire departments and medical researchers.
At this point, one may retreat to faith, simply believing the gods are innocent, like you might believe in the innocence of your friends, even if the evidence is against them. But Johnson argues that we don’t know the gods well enough to trust them like friends. In addition, we have good reason to believe the gods are not good since in the past they have allowed so much evil. You could still claim that you trust in the gods and nothing anyone can say will undermine your belief, “but this is just a description of how stubborn you are; it has no bearing whatsoever on the question of God’s goodness.”
Furthermore, all the reasons offered as to why the world’s evil is consistent with good gods could be used to show why it’s consistent with evil gods. For example, we could say that an evil God gives us free will so we can do evil things. Or we could say that evil exists to make people cynical and bitter (instead of compassionate and courageous), or it exists so that we quit caring about others (instead of becoming morally urgent.)
In short, there are 3 possibilities concerning the gods: 1) they are more likely to be all bad (theists don’t want this to be true; 2) they are more likely to be all-good (but this can’t be true since any evidence for this thesis will also support #1); or 3) they are equally likely to be all-bad or all-good. But if 3 is true, then what excuses do the gods have for allowing evil? They have none. And the reason is that for any excuse for evil’s existence to be justified, it must be highly probable that the excuse is true. But note that option 3 rules this out, since according to 3, there is no more reason to think the excuse is valid than that it is not valid.
Why then don’t the gods intervene, according to Johnson? Because they don’t exist.
(Of course, explaining evil without positing gods is easy—humans do bad things.)

Pretty coherent, logical thinking. Of course, that logic and coherence pales when we consider a tenet of a faith that has origin(s) in Persia. The saying goes: God is unknowable. Believers steadfastly assert this and likewise hold there is nothing either good or bad about it. It is just the way of things. Believers pray daily and observe a fasting period each year. They are devout, without being pompous about it. I don’t recall
ever hearing any say God should do more towards saving burning babies. Such “vain imaginings” have no place in their value system. Many are philosophically logical and coherent souls. But, they have little interest in argument over God’s existence.
Maybe we are trying to understand the gods/God with human logic,
Maybe the attributes people associate with the gods/God like Epicurus said are ridiculous–Maybe they look on far removed like the Epicurean gods in Tranquility and Blessedness far removed from the day to day problems of man.
Maybe the gods are examples of Tranquility and Ataraxia
Maybe those disasters that happen are according to Nature, however cruel they may seem.
How can finite man comprehend the Infinite attributes of God/ the gods ?
Yes I suppose the ways of the gods are mysterious to us. That’s why I don’t listen to preachers since they can’t tell me anything about the gods. Anyway the gods must have some good reason for all the pain and suffering they send.
If I back up and run over a child in the driveway I’m sure they just want to build my character. They could have stopped it but must know its really for my own good and the child’s too. When they observed the Holocaust I’m sure that was part of their loving divine plan. They could have stopped it but thought it was worth it. And I’m sure we need a little Ebola and cancer and torture and poverty and loneliness and earthquakes and some wars and genocide and occasional Holocausts so that we appreciate the occasional good times we have. Don’t understand why there has to be so much suffering but as you say its all part of their plan that we don’t understand. Heck, maybe just a few fewer earthquakes?
But no, there must be just the right amount of evil in the world. As Leibniz said, this is the best of all possible worlds because if the gods could have made it better they would have. Yes, every single bit of evil is just right. I look at this world and say, yes obviously its maker was all good all powerful and all knowing. It’s weird though that they knew all this bad stuff was going to happen beforehand and made the world anyway. Maybe they get a kick out of watching the pain and suffering and we don’t matter to them. That kinda makes sense.
For a brief intro to the problem of evil see:
https://reasonandmeaning.com/2015/04/19/finally-the-problem-of-evil-in-two-pages/
For a sophisticated response to the “greater goods defense” see
https://reasonandmeaning.com/2025/05/18/the-structural-problem-of-epistemic-deprivation-why-the-greater-good-is-not-a-theodicy/
The gods have given us unbridled free will totally given us the keys to the planet
the baby was in a burning house because of human neglect,no fire detector, where were the parents?
yes life is cruel the good out weighs the bad
Humanity could have made the earth a paradise but instead we have made it as it is which is really cruel unjust violent volatile
if you want to really understand this issue you might start with the wiki entry on “the problem of evil” or other introductions to the problem in the Stanford Ency. of Phil or the Internet Ency. of Phil. Note though that the majority of modern philosophers (80 to 85% in recent surveys) reject theism altogether. The vast majority of those who have studied the question in depth reject the gods (zeus, apollo, YHWY, Allah, Thor, Vishnu, Shiva, etc, etc.)