
Philip Kitcher
I would like to summarize and comment on an interview published in the New York Times with philosopher Philip Kitcher by philosopher Gary Gutting on the topic of “The Case for Soft Atheism.” It is closely connected with the issues in my previous post, “Modern Cosmology Versus Creation by God.” Here is an abridged version of the conversation.
G – You “take religious doctrines to have become incredible.” Why do you say that?
K – “The most basic reason for doubt about any of these ideas is that … nobody is prepared to accept all of them.” They are often contradictory and can’t all be true. Moreover, if you had been brought up in a different culture, you would probably have different beliefs, so how can you say that your views are the correct ones?
G – Perhaps it’s not doctrines but religious experiences that are important, and many of these experiences are similar across cultures.
K – Experiences, even if they are similar, are not independent of doctrines. Moreover, so-called religious experiences are easily confused with all sorts of psychological experiences that have psychological or biological causes.
G – So you reject all religious doctrines but “resist the claim that religion is noxious rubbish to be buried as deeply, as thoroughly and as quickly as possible.” Why?
K – I advocate a soft atheism which recognizes that religious doctrines are not literally true but that some religious practices and concern for social justice are worthwhile.
G – So you think that atheists like Dawkins only refute unsophisticated religious claims?
K – Yes. Religions that promote humanistic values reject a literal interpretation of many of their doctrines and are immune to much atheistic criticism. And by not taking the stories and metaphors of other religions literally either, you don’t have to choose between them, since they may all share some values.
G – So you will tolerate this refined religion?
K – Yes, but eventually I would like to see religion morphing into, and being replaced by, a kind of secular humanism. I don’t ignore religion, but I do want it to gradually disappear.
G – You don’t believe religious accounts of a deity, but you don’t exactly say they are definitely false either. Why don’t you just say you’re an agnostic rather than an atheist?
K – Conflicting religious doctrines show that we can’t describe this supposed reality, so we should “reject substantive religious doctrines, one and all, even the minimal ones …” I think theism is false, hence I call myself an “a-theist.”
G – But just because we can’t describe deities, it doesn’t follow that they don’t exist. We can’t completely describe what a banana tastes like or what being in love is like, but we don’t conclude that they don’t exist.
K – I think we know a lot about bananas and love. I reject theism rather because”I start from the idea that all sorts of human inquiries, including but not limited to the natural sciences, have given us a picture of the world, and that these inquiries don’t provide evidence for any transcendent aspect of the universe.” Of course, our picture of reality is incomplete, but when people make fantastic claims about the existence and actions of ghostly beings without evidence, it isn’t dogmatic to reject such assertions.
G- What of religious experience?
K – There are adequate scientific explanations for them; thus, “referring such experiences to some special aspect of reality is gratuitous speculation.” These experiences testify to the religious ideas in a culture, not to any transcendent reality.
G -But there are respectable arguments for the existence of gods.
K – The arguments are all deeply problematic and, at most, are supplements to faith.
G – “I agree that no theistic arguments are compelling, but I don’t agree that they all are logically invalid or have obviously false premises.”
K – I believe that religion at its best should not defend dubious metaphysical doctrines but focus on human problems. Let us then be inspired by the humanism in religion. “The atheism I favor is one in which literal talk about ‘God’ or other supposed manifestations of the ‘transcendent’ comes to be seen as a distraction from the important human problems — a form of language that quietly disappears.”
Commentary – Kitcher’s position is reminiscent of Dewey’s view that religion must disappear, but that a religious attitude is worthwhile, an idea I first encountered more than 50 years ago in a college class. I’ll let Dewey speak for himself while silently nodding my agreement.
If I have said anything about religions and religion that seems harsh, I have said those things because of a firm belief that the claim on the part of religions to possess a monopoly of ideals and of the supernatural means by which alone, it is alleged, they can be furthered, stands in the way of the realization of distinctively religious values inherent in natural experience. For that reason, if for no other, I should be sorry if any were misled by the frequency with which I have employed the adjective “religious” to conceive of what I have said as a disguised apology for what have passed as religions. The opposition between religious values as I conceive them and religions is not to be abridged. Just because the release of these values is so important, their identification with the creeds and cults of religions must be dissolved.
As I have stated many times in this blog, the replacement of religious superstition by scientific rationalism will benefit our descendants and us. In the end, such considerations lead to the promulgation of secular humanism and eventually to transhumanism. Looking around the world today, a better future can’t get here fast enough.

Many religious teachings, such as the Sermon on the Mount, are sublime. Humanistic thought seems to attempt to embrace the sublime, while ignoring the cruelties and the absurd that most religions seem to include.
In her book “Fields of Blood” Karen Armstrong argues that the initial aims of the founders of some of our great religions was to temper the cruelties inherent to hierarchal civilization. As they became institutional, the religious organizations found ways to conform themselves to the realities of civilization and power. In the process losing the fundamental moral and spiritual forces that were present at their beginnings.
I agree that the “good” of our religious traditions is now found in the philosophy of Humanism. (at least as I understand it)
This allows us to be flexible. Since Humanistic thought derives from humans, it isn’t sacred and permanent. Nor does it attempt to explain everything. (and certainly doesn’t attempt to explain anything for all eternity)
It allows us to change our thinking if we see that it causes suffering.
Lyle, I really like and agree with everything you write here. JGM
I’d like to toss a hand grenade into this discussion by outlining an argument for the necessity of religion. I begin by noting the huge range of intelligence among humans. On this blog, we have some mighty smart people discussing intricate issues.
Then we have the President of the United States, Donald Trump. This man is obviously a moron, and his incoherent statements demonstrate a mind far less capable than we would expect of a man in such a powerful position. It gets worse: a majority of Americans voted for him! If he’s so stupid, then clearly a lot of Americans are equally stupid.
We are confronted with an uncomfortable truth: most people are just too dumb to grasp the issues we discuss here. This creates a nasty problem for society. How can society keep the dummies from ruining everything? What’s to stop them from committing horrid crimes in their ignorance?
Society has a ready answer: religion. With all those impressive rituals, lengthy confusing bibles, and high-falutin’ terminology, society has an instrument sure to whip the hoi poloi into some sort of order. “God’ll getcha if you’re not good!” accomplishes a lot more than laws or social disapproval.
So, the mischievous question I put to readers is: Is religion useful enough in maintaining social order to justify its downsides?
A perennial question for sure. I’d like to tackle this in my next post. Stay tuned. JGM
Very interesting read